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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I don't want to be the first, but I do not like BOR at all. It strikes me as all drippy, gooey, smarmy, marshmallows and kitties and bunnies. Britney Spears gets all bubble gummy with the Dead??

I really have tried to listen numerous times. I've tried focusing on the lyrics, I've tried focusing on the music - melody and harmony separately and together. I've tried focusing on nothing and just listening.

And unfortunately (or not) that's all I've ever come away with.........nothing.

What am I missing.

FWIW, Scarlet/Fire, Morning Dew, Eyes, Terrapin, Brokedown, Days Between, Dark Star, Mountains of the Moon have lifetime memberships in my super secret special vault. Others rotate in and out depending on where I am with life's situations.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I think the song takes on a completely different meaning when sung by Robert Hunter than by Phil Lesh. I think the song was written for Phil's father who was dying of cancer and the GD version just doesn't have that vibe.

http://www.archive.org/details/rh1978-07-22.sbd.ververelli.miller.113045.flac16

I find the same to be true for Franklin's Tower. Seems to take on a completely different meaning.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Yup...quit stealing my lines...see date stamp below. Or not.

;)

Meant to add: agree completely on FTower; love Robert's but never listen to the DEAD, era differences or not. Can listen to his any time.

This post was modified by William Tell on 2011-09-28 19:36:48

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

You are the FIRST. And, fittingly, in a thread with FUBAR.

Which is what I am tempted to say must be true, about anyone that doesn't like BoR, but as friends, we'll agree to disagree.

I will say, you got balls.

;)

[how's that little icon for mixing up marshmellow "e" communication with common military phrases, eh?]

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

We'll see if the others are as gentle?

Maybe it's an accumulated lifetime dose of 1385 millrem of ionizing radiation that makes me incapable of enjoying BOR?

I suppose I'll back off a skosh and say that it's less that I don't like the song at all and more that the song does nothing for me - there's no resonance at all and nothing to keep me listening.

But hey, at least it doesn't get the heave ho skip button treatment like others.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Ha--hey, we also have "snafu" appearing below, so all my Navy knowledge is being put to use (I learned all these terms when the friend I mentioned from HS came home for Christmas from USNA...they were new to me in 1975. Have to love them: the best was he brought be a pair of blue NAVY gym shorts--just that word in yellow--which I wore for a yr or two in league play [b-ball]. The best compliment I got was after an extremely rough game, involving stiches, and "us" winning, the losers walked off, one saying to another "well, THAT's Navy ball for ya"...I was quite proud to have been labeled the instrument of such).

So, to echo elb, give a listen to RHunter's version of BoR and though his voice is an acquired taste, it comes off as a much more poignant song, IMHO. Same for Franklin's Tower as elb notes.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 28, 2011 1:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wow.....

That is not even the same song....

Simply stunning. I am really enjoying this - thanks to you and elb!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

when i listen to live performances of this song i can relate to what you're saying but the album version is a different story!!!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 28, 2011 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

I'm going out on the limb with Mando - the ONLY version of BoR that I like is the studio version. Phil's vocals on this song in concert are so choppy and distracting as to make it unlistenable. Skip button.

On the other hand, Ripple has such a poignant message I'll never pass it up. Never heard a bad version, except maybe by Furthur.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 28, 2011 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

hadnt noticed your post before i posted mine but its virtually the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 28, 2011 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

"Ripple has such a poignant message I'll never pass it up."

agreed

"Never heard a bad version, except maybe by Furthur. "

then don't listen to the "Deadicated" album. Jane's Addiction purely slaughters my favorite GD song

As for the original question...
I like Terrapin and Fire...and Day Job
but then I even enjoy the occasional Samba In The Rain

This post was modified by user unknown on 2011-09-28 19:20:10

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 28, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Terrapin and Fire and ... ?

Wow! But tell us how you really feel :)

Well, there's a first for everything.